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Surprise! Beyonce Is Featured On Eminem’s New Single “Walk On Water”

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15 minutes ago, danny1994 said:

Also, really Eminem? Saying “this is retarded” in 2017? Keep it classy :tiffcackle:

Yeah I've never been a fan of that; however, if Eminem were suddenly to become PC, he'd piss even more people off. It's not verbiage I'd personally defend, but also realize this is a lose-lose situation for him.

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10 minutes ago, button said:

u gotta see this one:

"I haven't this yet, i'll play it while eating, hope it's good"

"You're going to throw up"

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should've stopped making albums after the eminem show. few singles here and there would've been enough  rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

one of his best songs rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

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41 minutes ago, cheri said:

"this sh!t is garbage" glad u said it for me marshall neixxu.jpg

That's what I like about it though. He KNOWS it's not anywhere on par with what he can do/has done. He's literally in angst, calling his new material "garbage," trying to remind himself that he was the same genius responsible for "Stan." It makes him, once again, painfully relatable but in a whole new way. 

Like, imagine if Britney, rather than saying "I have nothing to prove," and doing watered down versions of her old routine, embraced that she was now an entirely new woman and could never live up to her former glory again. I think it would give people a whole new respect for her, because rather than living off her prime to grasp to relevancy, she'd have to become a whole new artist entirely (whilst honestly acknowledging her previous self was superior). It's not an admission many icons would be willing to make.

The quality of the new track isn't what I love, but the raw vulnerability is pretty damn inspiring to me.

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29 minutes ago, LostInAnImage said:

That's what I like about it though. He KNOWS it's not anywhere on par with what he can do/has done. He's literally in angst, calling his new material "garbage," trying to remind himself that he was the same genius responsible for "Stan." It makes him, once again, painfully relatable but in a whole new way. 

Like, imagine if Britney, rather than saying "I have nothing to prove," and doing watered down versions of her old routine, embraced that she was now an entirely new woman and could never live up to her former glory again. I think it would give people a whole new respect for her, because rather than living off her prime to grasp to relevancy, she'd have to become a whole new artist entirely (whilst honestly acknowledging her previous self was superior). It's not an admission many icons would be willing to make.

The quality of the new track isn't what I love, but the raw vulnerability is pretty damn inspiring to me.

see that's the thing, this whole self-reflection tongue in cheek sh!t isn't doing it for me  rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

feminem has made fun of himself throughout his entire career (being a white rapper in a sea of black rappers, his issues with debbie, kim, even the way he handled the ja situation sometimes, etc) but this is just not authentic to me. maybe if this came out right after proof's death (and guaranteed it would have better lines too bc he was a better writer back then) i'd buy into it more. but now he's just fishing for sh!t to write about, last resort sh!t. his nonfiction and fiction narratives circuits are short now and he's aware of it, so he's trying to act all self aware on another level and go along with the classic "ill say what u think of me b4 u guyz say it!" eminem rhetoric but the thing is, it's too late. the ship has sailed. he hasnt addressed it in 15 years and only chose now bc he's suffering writers block. im not down with that rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

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22 minutes ago, cheri said:

see that's the thing, this whole self-reflection tongue in cheek sh!t isn't doing it for me  rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

feminem has made fun of himself throughout his entire career (being a white rapper in a sea of black rappers, his issues with debbie, kim, even the way he handled the ja situation sometimes, etc) but this is just not authentic to me. maybe if this came out right after proof's death (and guaranteed it would have better lines too bc he was a better writer back then) i'd buy into it more. but now he's just fishing for sh!t to write about, last resort sh!t. his nonfiction and fiction narratives circuits are short now and he's aware of it, so he's trying to act all self aware on another level and go along with the classic "ill say what u think of me b4 u guyz say it!" eminem rhetoric but the thing is, it's too late. the ship has sailed. he hasnt addressed it in 15 years and only chose now bc he's suffering writers block. im not down with that rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

I respect your opinion, and I'm sure a lot of long-term Em fans feel the same. But as I noted previously, he has alluded to this exact same thing many previously, most notably in "Beautiful." He talks about how he's lost the interest of the masses, and he's terrified to let people see that it's all been a facade. I don't know, I honestly think it's brave (and also sounds like he believes this will be his last record).

ETA: All I hope for is one final world tour; seeing him live is an absolute bucket list item for me, and he still kills it live. I watched his record-breaking sold-out concert in London from just a few years ago on YouTube, and even on there (with the horrible quality) it was beyond amazing. He did all of his hits, deep cuts and new material without ever stopping to take a break; he just killed it for over two hours straight. So, I'm sincerely hoping he does a world tour before he bows out for good.

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12 minutes ago, LostInAnImage said:

That's what I like about it though. He KNOWS it's not anywhere on par with what he can do/has done. He's literally in angst, calling his new material "garbage," trying to remind himself that he was the same genius responsible for "Stan." It makes him, once again, painfully relatable but in a whole new way. 

Like, imagine if Britney, rather than saying "I have nothing to prove," and doing watered down versions of her old routine, embraced that she was now an entirely new woman and could never live up to her former glory again. I think it would give people a whole new respect for her, because rather than living off her prime to grasp to relevancy, she'd have to become a whole new artist entirely (whilst honestly acknowledging her previous self was superior). It's not an admission many icons would be willing to make.

The quality of the new track isn't what I love, but the raw vulnerability is pretty damn inspiring to me.

but at the end of the day, what we do is listening to music. if it's not sonically/lyrically good then there's no point praising it. i'm not (and you're not) going to listen to Walk on Water regularly because of the vulnerability and self-depreciation it contains (which he has always done and on actually good songs btw).

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Just now, LostInAnImage said:

I respect your opinion, and I'm sure a lot of long-term Em fans feel the same. But as I noted previously, he has alluded to this exact same thing many previously, most notably in "Beautiful." He talks about how he's lost the interest of the masses, and he's terrified to let people see that it's all been a facade. I don't know, I honestly think it's brave (and also sounds like he believes this will be his last record).

hopefully it is his last record, but i doubt it will be because let's face it, he sells like hotcakes. encore was supposed to be the end of the journey rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

beautiful is really fucking bad, it suffers the same fate as this track. and also i dont believe his bullshit about "guyz when i was younger i was just putting up a "front" but now im older and reflecting, this is da real me" what would've been real to me is quitting when he said he would instead of returning with that piece of sh!t relapse album. not making 4 albums after retirement, all largely centered around how he looks back at his older self. how boring. proof's death truly fucked him up.  rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

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Just remembered the random dream I had a week or so ago where I heard the premiere of 'Eminem's brand new single' in some office building, Eminem was there in person and my friends were all there and we were dancing to it. All I remember was that it was uptempo and featured some sort of comical lyrics about going crazy or whatever, a bit similar to Berzerk. Walk On Water sounded nothing like it which is kinda disappointing. 

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5 minutes ago, button said:

but at the end of the day, what we do is listening to music. if it's not sonically/lyrically good then there's no point praising it. i'm not (and you're not) going to listen to Walk on Water regularly because of the vulnerability and self-depreciation it contains (which he has always done and on actually good songs btw).

agree. there's plenty of good warts and all songs from marshall that are fantastic. this isn't one of them. give me "rock bottom" back. rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

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5 minutes ago, button said:

but at the end of the day, what we do is listening to music. if it's not sonically/lyrically good then there's no point praising it. i'm not (and you're not) going to listen to Walk on Water regularly because of the vulnerability and self-depreciation it contains (which he has always done and on actually good songs btw).

Well, that's just a matter of personal taste. For me, I love music that resonates with me emotionally, and as someone who has been suffering from bouts of depression and anxiety recently (largely due to feelings of inadequacy brought on by the stress of grad school and resultant "imposter syndrome"), I actually have already put this song on repeat because it's just clicking with me on a visceral level. 

But I completely understand what you're saying, and suspect many will agree; thus, I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of his only leads that fails to smash.

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I really don't go out of my way to say anything one way or the other on or about Beyonce, so I'm kind of speaking more about Em here... the paper turning, crumbling, all the scribbling... it's pretentious as hell to me. And it distracted me so much that I barely paid attention to anything but Bey's parts, at first. (Those were nice. This is also me admitting I'm not listening to the words until right about now because I'm typing as I listen, so I'm simply speaking only about her vocals. All right, the words are meh.)

I don't know how I feel about all the self reflection. Also, nice contradiction at the end there.

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1 minute ago, fucknfurter said:

I really don't go out of my way to say anything one way or the other on or about Beyonce, so I'm kind of speaking more about Em here... the paper turning, crumbling, all the scribbling... it's pretentious as hell to me. And it distracted me so much that I barely paid attention to anything but Bey's parts, at first. (Those were nice. This is also me admitting I'm not listening to the words until right about now because I'm typing as I listen, so I'm simply speaking only about her vocals. All right, the words are meh.)

I don't know how I feel about all the self reflection. Also, nice contradiction at the end there.

feminem and marilyn manson faced their expiration dates around the same time. from an artistic pov, they should just stop.  rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

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8 minutes ago, cheri said:

hopefully it is his last record, but i doubt it will be because let's face it, he sells like hotcakes. encore was supposed to be the end of the journey rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

beautiful is really fucking bad, it suffers the same fate as this track. and also i dont believe his bullshit about "guyz when i was younger i was just putting up a "front" but now im older and reflecting, this is da real me" what would've been real to me is quitting when he said he would instead of returning with that piece of sh!t relapse album. not making 4 albums after retirement, all largely centered around how he looks back at his older self. how boring. proof's death truly fucked him up.  rsz_bxwwlz0_1.png

Agree with you re: death of his friend.

I actually love "Beautiful," but we obviously have different tastes when it comes to this. :) 

And I honestly do get it, my ex-boyfriend was black, and he used to say that growing up Eminem was the biggest inspiration for him and his friends, which was the only white guy they could ever say that about, but since he got clean and started collaborating with the likes of Rihanna and getting played on Top 40 stations, they totally lost respect for him. (Obviously, I have no idea what race you are, and it's ultimately irrelevant, but my ex was adamant that the black community had taken him in, embraced him as their own and essentially felt betrayed by albums such as MMLPII). 

So either way, you're definitely not in the minority regarding your thoughts on post 2010 Eminem.

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